From wew@magician.larc.nasa.gov Tue Oct 1 17:53:36 EDT 1996 Article: 74052 of rec.games.mecha Path: prism!gatech!csulb.edu!news.sgi.com!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!uunet!in3.uu.net!news.larc.nasa.gov!magician.larc.nasa.gov!wew From: wew@magician.larc.nasa.gov (William E. Ward) Newsgroups: alt.games.mechwarrior2,rec.games.mecha Subject: Re: Tech Readouts for 'Mechs in MW2: Mercs Date: 1 Oct 1996 19:35:03 GMT Organization: NASA Langley Research Center, Hampton, VA USA Lines: 67 Distribution: world Message-ID: <52rrp7$123@reznor.larc.nasa.gov> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: magician.larc.nasa.gov Status: RO In article , braden@shadow.net (Braden N. McDaniel) writes: > I'm curious: what Battletech Technical Readouts are the 'Mechs in > Mercenaries based on? > > -- > Braden N. McDaniel braden@shadow.net > > Home Page: http://www.shadow.net/%7Ebraden/ > Home World: http://www.shadow.net/%7Ebraden/home.wrl They are loosely based on TR3025, TR2750, TR3050, TR3055 and TR3058 (but closer to actuality for the TR3058). Since that is EVERY one of the Technical Readouts except the Revised (which I can't comment on, money's been tight the last few months, so I haven't bought the latest Btech stuff...) and TR3057 and TR3026, which don't have mechs anyway. The TR2750 gives the Highlander, Flashman, Mongoose, Crab, Sentinel, Thug, and Bombadier an intro... The Crab and Sentinel appear in TR3050 as well. The Mauler and Wolf Trap are TR3050. The Hatamoto-Chi is a Charger variant that also came out in TR3050. The Hornet, Annhilator and Raven are all "Specials" in that they originally came out between the 3025 and 3050 books, but the first TR to have them was TR3050. They first appeared (in 3025 tech only) in the Wolf Dragoons Source Book. The Dragon itself (as opposed to the later Grand Dragon) is TR3025 only. The Grim Reaper, Battlehawk, and Salamander are TR3055. The Rakshasa is an Inner Sphere copy of the MadCat (Timberwolf) that was first created in TR3055 as well. The Direwolf (Daishi), Elemental (Toad), Excutioner (Gladiator), Gargoyle (Man-o-War), MadDog (Vulture), Nova (Blackhawk), Stormcrow (Ryoken), Summoner (Thor), Timber Wolf (MadCat), Warhawk (Masakari),Firemoth (Dasher), Hellbringer (Loki), and Kit Fox (Uller) were the "Classic" omnimechs introduced in TR3050, when the Clans were introduced. The Cauldron Born is TR3058. The Battlesuit is not in any TR, other than a mention that the IS was attempting to rapidly develop a system like it in TR3050. It is in the rules, now, however, and has shown in the new Draconis March Field Manual. The Kodiak is also TR3058. The Kodiak and Cauldron Born first appeared in the Invading Clans Sourcebook. The Naga, Phantom, Jenner IIC, and Linebacker were all from TR3055. The Naga, Phantom and Lineback first appeared in the Clan Wolf Sourcebook, however. That should account for every mech in Mercs. However, with that, this caveat should be seen. The is probably the same mech as TR2750, but the Crab should have FF, The Sentinel should have a SSRM-2 and a UAC-5, the Bombadier should have DHS, AMS and Ferro, IIRC, the Highlander should have a Gauss Rifle, the Thug should have DHS (GAWD is it over heatsinked!) and Endo, the Flashman should be extinct, etc. (Not that I'm complaining. I love the Flashman, and begged to have it in). The ones that were TR2750 except for the Mongoose have been "Dummied" down to TR3025 tech by FASA in the TR3025-Revised edition (the one I don't have) and these may be correct to that. Also, all but three mechs that were in TR3025 were included in TR3050 (others were added, but only three were removed), and all of the ones that would ever be in MW are in the group that is in both (ie., only the LAMs were present in TR3025 but not TR3050). The mechs in TR3050 had upgraded tech, however. For what it's worth, the "missing" mechs are: Battlemaster, TR3025. Tarantula, TR3055. Rifleman IIC, Warhammer IIC, Marauder IIC, Incubus, Horned Owl (Peregrin, IIRC, if not the Incubus is), and Stone Rhino (Behemoth) are all TR3055. Of these, the Tarantula, Incubus, Horned Owl, and Stone Rhino are all exempt from FASA's removal, they are FASA designs, so I have no clue to why they were removed, unless space was the issue. -- William Ward The Rare Mech Times http://www.cs.odu.edu/~ward_w/btech.html